Five Types Of Looters You Must Prepare For

by Survival Diva on June 21, 2012

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It’s Survival Diva again with some food for thought about societal collapse; what to expect and who to look out for. It’s an important part of the puzzle when you’re one of the few prepared to survive the coming onslaught. Some guesstimate preppers make up only 5% of the populace, but it’s my belief it’s closer to 3% at best, and more likely to be 1-2%. Many give lip service to prepping and claim to be prepared when the truth is they’re still in the “thinking” stage. 

They haven’t advanced to in-the-trenches preparedness that many need to do to get prepared faster, where dinners out, budget-draining vacations, and designer anything are put on the back-burner until the storage shelves are full, water has been stored, and must-have preparedness goods are crowding sheds, basements, or in a pinch; closets and under the bed.


To come out on the other side of a wide-spread crisis in one piece, even when you’re prepared, takes getting into the head of the majority of the population who are NOT prepared. If you’re successful, you’ll face, head-on, the darker side of humanity most of us would rather pretend doesn’t exist.


Yesterday I was given a small example. When purchasing another 20 buckets for food storage, a Home Depot employee kindly offered to help me load them into the back of my SUV. Looking at the 200 pounds of sugar and another 200 pounds of flour crowding the back—I’m planning to use it for barter when the time comes—he asked; “What’s with all the buckets and the baking stuff?” This was my cue to wake up another person who’ll be sorely disappointed when meals on wheels doesn’t come to their aid in a wide-spread emergency. Besides, I knew I could safely talk to him without worry of him showing up at my doorstep if things go south. I live 90 miles away and I pay with cash for my preparedness goods and NEVER use rewards cards, where my personal purchases are tracked.


So I told him I write about prepping and I practice what I preach. Our discussion revealed he had attempted to start prepping, yet every time he stored the items in the basement, his teenagers helped themselves to his emergency stash. I asked if he had a shed that could be padlocked to keep his prepping goods intact, which he did. His answer, however, was disappointing: “My wife would kill me if I put the bikes outside to store preparedness goods.” 


I left the parking lot shaking my head in sadness with the realization this man represents the majority of people, including many reading this very article. They may have that gut-wrenching intuition that things aren’t quite right, and they should be getting ready, but they have become entrenched with today’s norms and are over-consumers with the belief the government will step in if things get really bad. Like this man, many would-be preppers just haven’t marshaled their strength to lock horns with loved ones, even when it’s for their own good, nor can they stomach being labeled paranoid.


Get Into The Heads of Those to Watch For

In a collapse, not all looters are created equally. There will be varying degrees of how far a person is willing to go to survive. But even the best, most honest of people will be desperate for food and water. It’s a good idea to consider who might be approaching your doorstep before trouble shows.


Stan, the Family Man:  He has loved ones that he desperately wants to protect. He ignored the hassle of preparedness. He even ignored FEMA’s suggestion of storing three days worth of emergency food and water. Money has been tight once his hours were cut since the economic slow-down. He’d thought about selling the jet skis and investing in storage food, but it was just too depressing. Now a wide-spread emergency has decimated grocer’s shelves in a matter of hours. Water is scarce and there are rumors of many in the area getting sick after drinking non-purified water from a nearby lake. The toilet won’t flush, sewage has backed up in the tub and there is no electric. Communications are down and he and his family are without hope. The first two days, he’d held out hope that help would arrive. But it hasn’t and his family is hungry and thirsty and frightened. Stan has always paid his dues, and would normally never think about stealing from others. But, that was then. He must do whatever it takes to provide for his family. The cooking smells coming from across the hallway of his apartment building has set a plan in motion. Survival has come down to them or him…

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Toni, the Prisoner: When the lights went out, security at the prison was compromised. Most of the jail guards left for home at first sign of trouble. Now, the tables are turned and Toni and several other inmates have escaped. Toni and his group are on foot, but that doesn’t present a problem because their rural location offers plenty of opportunities. The farmers in the area have fruits and vegetables ripe for the picking. Several in the vicinity raise horses. Now that he and the other inmates broke out of prison, Toni considers himself lucky; the problem of food and transportation is solved…once he and the five other inmates have overtaken the family they’ve targeted.

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Scorpion, the Gang Member:  Scorpion, a member of a major gang is, mad at life and knows he’s entitled to survive because he’s young and strong. He’s willing to do whatever it takes without remorse.  He and his homeboys have plenty of firepower and ammunition: the tools of their trade. They can’t wait to take what they need, just for the sheer sport of it. And it’s proven to be as easy as stealing candy from a baby. Several home invasions produced more than enough food, water and medical supplies. What didn’t interest them was grabbed and sold on the black market to desperate customers. The best part is they didn’t even have to leave the city. There’s more than enough to keep the gang well fed. Along the way, they’ve picked up an arsenal. Ammo is now so plentiful, it’s moved past need and has been sold for more than what gold and silver is fetching. The few police combating the looting and killing don’t have the manpower to take down his gang, and they’re on a rampage.

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John, the Tactically Trained: For the past two days, John has had to watch his neighbors go into meltdown. They’re without food and water, as is John. One of his neighbors is a diabetic with no way to get insulin. They can’t call their doctor—cell and land line phones haven’t worked for days. Plus, the roads are in complete gridlock. The gas stations ran out of fuel within 24-hours of the crisis and many frantic motorists trying to flee ran out of gas, or experienced car problems, leaving their vehicles to clog the roadways.


John feels for his neighbor, but he has loved ones. They are his number one priority and he’s run out of time. John and several of his hunting buddies have decided it’s time to search for survival goods, taking their ATV’s. John’s military training now comes in handy. As leader of the group, he knows to head outside the suburb he lives for the boonies where it’s more likely there will be plentiful food and water and preparedness goods. They’ve agreed not to hurt anyone, so long as they’re allowed to take what they need. John knows what to look for: the sound of a generator or lights shining through windows. This is his signal a homeowner is prepared. During the day his group listens for the tell-tale sounds of a generator, a chainsaw, or a motorized vehicle, which isn’t hard to do now that the grid’s down. For days, things have been eerily silent. At night, John and his hunting buddies look for the tell-tale glow of lights reflecting from windows. In no time, they have what they need and will return to this rural goldmine on an as-need basis.

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Brenda, the Naysayer: Brenda laughed when her co-worker, Sarah, shared her prepping plans. Now, the streets are over-run with desperate folks. The stores have been looted. Grocers, sporting good stores and gun shops were the first to get hit. But there have been plenty of  TV’s, computers and high-ticket electronic items pilfered, even though they’re no good to anyone at present. The family car has an empty gas tank, but she’s in good health and so is the rest of her family. It’s just blind luck Brenda knows where Sarah lives, and the awesome part is she isn’t far—only a couple of miles away. Her family is into bicycling, so the problem of transportation is solved; They’ll just zip past the gridlock, baring looters, that is. The rest of Brenda’s plan lies with the knowledge that Sarah is kindhearted.


She’ll put Brenda and her family up until order is restored, which from the looks of things could be a long time. Brenda and her husband throw what little they have in their pantry (what they can handle weight-wise, anyway) into backpacks and pillowcases. Next, they clear out the medicine cabinet. They tried to use their ATM card for cash just yesterday, so they wouldn’t show up empty-handed—they’d never want to be seen as free-loaders—but the grid is hopelessly crashed, so no luck there, and all businesses are closed, including the banks. But Brenda doesn’t necessarily see that as a deal-breaker. She did everything she could, other than fill her pantry and get preparedness goods. And besides, Brenda has two adorable kids…how can Sarah say no?

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Will You Be A Victim?

Desperate families, prison inmates, gang-bangers and freeloaders will be out there during a full-on collapse. The first thing you want to do is to get prepared so that you aren’t one of them.  Next, how you handle desperate people and whether you come out on the other side alive has a lot to do with planning beforehand. Here are some pointers. Hopefully, you have some of your own to share by commenting below:

  • The “Vacant Home” strategy: Many people plan on making their home look unoccupied in an attempt to protect themselves from looters.  In grid down, you don’t necessarily want to have your home appear vacant. The average person won’t risk getting shot when they believe a home is occupied. It’s better to keep them guessing, and that also includes NOT telegraphing your preparedness.
  • You will be an instant target if you’re running a noisy a generator, or driving a vehicle, or using a chain saw when your area has drawn looters or worse. It sends a message: You’re prepared and you have goods they need! It’s best to forgo the obvious. Some generators are built to run quietly. Is yours? If not, when looters are in your area, use only tools that won’t draw as much attention like a tree-felling ax, and cease running a noisy generator until it’s safer to do so. Keep vehicles parked, and gas storage out of site.  Some things that you can do are to add supplementary mufflers to your generator, build a sound dampening enclosure, build an underground sound dampening enclosure, and only run your generator during the noisiest parts of the day, if possible.
  • Don’t light up your home in grid-down! Now is a good time to fit your windows with black-out curtains. Even using a piece of material that’s secured—possibly with duct tape, so light doesn’t escape and alert people outside, will do.  Whatever you do, test, test, and test again.  Test your black-out provisions now when there is plenty of ambient light and test them again if the grid goes down on moonless nights.
  • Cooking odors will attract anyone with a growling stomach, including neighbors, looters and worse. Keep canned goods and MRE’s on hand for times when looting is rampant.
  • You must have the means to defend yourself. Guns and ammo may be the pivotal deciding factor between who comes out ahead: Toni the prisoner or Scorpion the gang banger, or you and your loved ones. It will be necessary in times of unruliness, when people are frantic to survive, to patrol your home, whether it happens to be in the boonies or in the city. This, often times, requires a trusted group. It may become impossible to protect a location with just a husband and wife due to the heightened demands on your time that during normal times is not an issue. This is a separate post, however, because of all it entails. Look for the post soon!
  • Either have stored water or a safe route to get it and keep a high-quality water purifier on hand. During a collapse, sanitation will go south. Never risk drinking non-purified water. (David’s Note:  I plan on purifying any water that I have stored rather than relying on my container cleaning and water preserving skills to keep us safe.)
  • Have a backup plan for toilet use and basic hygiene, as we talked about in this article:

  • Put aside medical supplies. Should anyone in your family or group be inured, medical aid is unlikely to show during a crisis. We’ll talk about what you’ll need specifically in an upcoming post.
  • Keep several ABC fire extinguishers that will handle all types of fires. Do not expect to be able to contact the fire department for help.  (David’s note:  We also keep a LARGE supply of baking soda, aloe, and other first aid items for burns.  One of these items is anbesol…which is for teeth, but contains .9% lidocaine.  Solarcaine is aloe and .5% lidocaine and it works well also.  You can buy lidocaine cream without a prescription at a 5% concentration >HERE<
  • NEVER depend upon land line and cell phones to work when a crisis strikes. If you doubt this, you only have to look at the Japan tsunami, or Haiti, or Katrina. Have a back-up plan, always—which we’ll be covering here in an upcoming post.  (David’s note:  Never underestimate the power of randomness in a large scale disaster.  On 9/11 in NYC, the network that Blackberries operated on was the only one that was reliable.  After Katrina, friends doing security contracting weren’t able to use cell phones, but were able to use landline phones even though the water was 6 feet deep on the ground floor and the cables were under water.  In Hawaii, the night that the earthquake hit Japan and a tsunami was expected to hit Hawaii, cell phone circuits were busy, but I was still able to email, tweet, post updates, and surf the web over my data connection on the same phone that couldn’t make a call.)
  • When possible, a large dog is worth considering. It’s long been known by police that a large, serious-sounding dog will stop the bad guy. Problem is, he’ll just look for easier targets. You must provide for their survival, just as you have your loved ones, which will mean plenty of dog food. In my book, Survival: Prepare Before Disaster Strikes, I shared a work-around for those who can’t keep a dog. Just having a beat-up, large dog collar, worn water and food bowls, and a heavy duty chain trailing on the ground WILL  have the bad guy thinking twice about attacking your home. After reading this section, a wise-cracking Alaskan friend suggested a chewed up moose leg.
  • Divide and avoid being conquered.  Split up your survival goods in as many ways as are practical for you.  Some people will have more options than others, depending on their living situation and how willing they are to hide things in places that many would consider to be completely crazy.  Splitting up and hiding your survival goods will allow you to sacrifice stashes if necessary without giving up everything.

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Most of us, if given the opportunity, would choose to help others, and many preppers who can afford to have put aside extra canned goods to help others. But there is a world of difference between helping someone in need and becoming a victim of someone who plans to steal your preparedness goods with force. It’s important to agree amongst family or group members how you will address likely scenarios, so if the time comes, you’ll be able to react as a cohesive group. Hesitation can kill you!

So, What are your plans to survive in the midst of bedlam?  Share your thoughts by commenting below:

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Vote -1 Vote +1Old Faithful
June 23, 2012 at 7:37 am

I’m a two year and going prepper, and I certainly appreciate EVERY article you share with us. Just when I think I’m getting ‘close’ to feeling confident, you toss us another lesson to be learned. So glad you’re on top of the issues surrounding survival. I do have a question; if electric grids go off, does natural gas still run through the pipes? Thanks!


Vote -1 Vote +1davidmobile
June 23, 2012 at 9:46 am

On the natural gas, it will keep flowing as long as there’s gas to pump, integrity in the pipes, and enough pressure. In short, it’s completely dependent on where you happen to be.


Vote -1 Vote +1Old Faithful
June 23, 2012 at 3:01 pm

I live in a very rural area and natural gas stops with our property. I guess I’ll just have to wait & see how long it lasts….by I’m praying we’re ALL wrong, and never have to use all our new learned skills. Thank you for your reply!


Vote -1 Vote +1Survival Diva
June 24, 2012 at 1:09 pm

Old Faithful,
Most gas appliances like stoves will continue to work in grid-down. Be prepared to light the burners because any that are dependant on a thermocoupler or electronic ignition won’t automaticaly spark. Using the oven or burners of a stove for heat can be a problem. They aren’t designed to heat your home safely and can build up carbon monoxide, similar to what a BBQ does. Check with your maker, besause all gas-run appliances vary.


+2 Vote -1 Vote +1michael haverstick
June 23, 2012 at 9:07 am

Canning supplies may be as valuable as gold after the TSHTF, within about 2 months. I had another thought, especially if there are only two of you at first (before you can find or develop a group) and that is to plan a false pantry (or other obvious storage location) with a few items in it to allow someone to steal without getting overly upset (i.e. a few small bags of rice and a few can goods.) Most looters would expect to find a few items and may leave satisfied, they also may not plan to return thinking they got everything you had. Even the most prepared can be caught off hand by bad guys, so prepare for that eventuality.


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1susan beaty
June 23, 2012 at 5:57 pm

hey… excellent idea… thanks for the heads up.


Vote -1 Vote +1Johnn
June 29, 2012 at 12:35 am

what about the hundreds more of looters?


Vote -1 Vote +1Wild Bill
July 4, 2012 at 8:20 pm

A guy who was living in the Balkans when the war went down had a list of stuff that was always in high demand… He survived a year in a city that was being shelled with artillery every day and cut off from the rest of the world…

A few things that I remember him listing:

1. Antibiotics of any kind.
2. Various medical supplies, bandages, 1st Aid stuff, etc..
3. Hand tools. Especially axes, hammers, screwdrivers, etc… anything that didn’t run on electricity.
4. Booze. All kinds.
5. COFFEE! Even coffee substitutes were worth $$$.
6. Fuel. Solid and liquid both..
7. Cigarettes.
8. Pocketknives. (This one threw me…)
9. Bags of different types to carry things.

There’s more, but this is just what I remember off the top of my head… I haven’t been to his website in a couple months and he has to send me a new password. Also, he says freely that gold and silver coins, though valuable before Bad Things happened, were not considered ‘substitute money’ afterwards… things people needed every day were worth more than gold and silver. You would be suprised at what you could trade for with a little coffee and a couple smokes. Antibiotics were the most highly prized. People could be, and were, killed because they had antibiotics that someone needed or wanted.

Not trying to hawk the guy’s website, but he has a tremendous amount of intel available, even if you don’t pony up the couple bucks he’s asking for all the downloads. Just reading what he has there is a wealth of information…

I spent most of my adult life in the military and seen some tough scrapes and crappy places, but I could never imagine living in a environment where you are totally and completely cut off from the world, having to exist like an animal in a shelled-out city. The guy is the real deal, in my opinion.

As far as looters goes, I live by two rules:

1. There is no such thing as ‘too much’ ammo.
2. For short range work, nothing will ever beat a load of #1 Buckshot from a 3″ shell.

When I was given the opportunity to choose what I wanted to carry, I chose the 12 gauge shotgun with #1 buckshot every single time (when it was available). 24 pellets of .30 caliber each fanning out in a cone of destruction… not much can stand against that. HIGHLY reccomend the 12 gauge Winchester 3″ shell in #1. (When I was a young Private, I asked a grizzled old SF Master Sergeant which shotgun round was the best anti-personnel round… without a second’s hesitation, he said the #1 buckshot round. I went with that and never looked back). Only Winchester makes the #1 right now, as far as I know, and that’s the bad news. The good news is that they make a LOT of it.

I wish all of you a Happy 4th of July. Stay safe and God Bless.



+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Bonnie Hollingsworth
June 23, 2012 at 10:50 am

Yes, canning supplies are a really good thing to have. We garden and can faithfully. However, we also have a freezer full of food. We have extra jars, lids, and propane tanks. Should the grid go down we are prepared to start canning even meats that are in our freezer to avoid losing them. I already have canned venison, bear, and ground chuck. Rather than run a noisy generator (which we do have), it takes no time at all to dump a jar of ground chuck, a jar of home-canned potatoes, and a jar of home-made veggie soup base into a pot, quickly fry a dab of cornbread, and have a meal in about 15 minutes with one-pot cleanup! We do this anyway when we are late, tired, and don’t want to fix a heavy meal. We have also stored a good quantity of salt. This can be used to help preserve fresh meat with salt-curing as well as a good medicinal soak for minor woulds, etc.!

I think the fake storage cabinets is an excellent idea, while your main storage is in several other places.


Vote -1 Vote +1Miss Arleen
June 30, 2012 at 7:59 am

Bonnie, I had the same idea as you did. the only problem is I have never canned meat before…or anything else. Any resources you can suggest for the beginner? You’re the type of person I would love to follow around for a while just to see what I could learn. If you are interested in contacting me directly please let me know. Thanks!


+5 Vote -1 Vote +1Thom Martin
June 23, 2012 at 11:04 am

One key idea regarding “the means to defend yourself” You must, and I mean MUST, also have the WILL to act in that regard. Not hastily, not vengefully, but when necessary, effectively . It is a very hard thing for most people to act without regard to the welfare of another even when threatened; our “socializing” works against that option. But when it is THE only option it must be acted on without hesitance or you’re just providing weapons for the bad guys to take. And it is critical that one deliberately and with unwavering honesty “war game” scenarios and decide in to one’s complete confidence just when or what establishes that necessity. For example, I’ve suffered mild strokes and heart attacks (much milder than many have endured) and so am on blood thinning medications (warfarin, aspirin, etc.). Even so much as a fist fight could leave me with life threatening internal bleeding.You can bet I consider ANY physical threat as a threat to my life and will act accordingly IF I must. But when I must, I know I can. Naturally, non-lethal options need to be considered first, such as a good, strong pepper spray, batons, etc. in addition to the preventative measures mentioned in the article. But HAVING guns and ammo and being of a mindset to USE them are two very different things. Battering can be good, but a stockpile of weapons and ammo is awfully attractive to the wrong sorts as well. Once it’s known you have them, using them may not be far away. As always, great article from a DO-er.


Vote -1 Vote +1sunshinesunflower
June 26, 2012 at 2:08 pm

and getting training.


Vote -1 Vote +1P. A. Dick
June 23, 2012 at 12:13 pm

A friend of mine is now a Lt-Col in the Marine Corps. When he was an LT assauling Iraqi forces in Kuwait, he told me that a house or building is one of the most difficult targets to assault, and one of the most difficult places to defend. Whatever happens, he said, the situation is unpredicatbly fluid. Many times one must exfiltrate. My comment to many is that if you terminate any governmental recipients around your urban survival unit, you must get them away from there as soon as possible; at least 100 yards, or much further if you can. Besides the flies, there are a multitude of viruIent bacteria that the flies will carry to you, or further pollute your natural water supply. I have learned from discusions with others of likemindedness, cheap vodka and cigarettes are the best tool of complacency to appease governmental recipients.


Vote -1 Vote +1Curtis
June 25, 2012 at 12:16 am

One must consider the potential for minor wounds, cuts and abrasions. Cleanliness is an absolute must, and you will not always have all the meds that you wish you had. Purchase and store large bottles of Lysol that you can use for cleaning and soaking wounds, cleaning and sanitizing pans, dishes etc. One cap full of Lysol in a pint of water will clean a wound or cut, and stave off infection. Eight drops of bleach per gallon of water will sanitize drinking water. No… it isn’t tasty, it is safe. Keep cuts, wounds and abrasions clean and dry that they may heal quickly. Keep lots of warm clothing. In summer, you can always take it off… In winter, you will need lots of layers.


Vote -1 Vote +1sunshinesunflower
June 26, 2012 at 2:09 pm

whiskey or vodka?


Vote -1 Vote +1Johnn
June 29, 2012 at 12:46 am

give them a christan burial, it’s good for the soil.


+3 Vote -1 Vote +1Jaggen
June 23, 2012 at 1:59 pm

I have my own well with a hand crank, an unexpected blessing after I bought my home also have septic, another blessing in disguise. I bought an old 1-ton pickup and added a 90gal storage tank, that I keep filled for GOOD situations. Solar oven, fireplace, live by a lake, and so on….


Vote -1 Vote +1sunshinesunflower
June 26, 2012 at 2:11 pm

Are you prepared for family to arrive? Just a thought. Some sister-in-laws might be freaking out. Soft bat please.


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Bonnie Hollingsworth
June 23, 2012 at 3:05 pm

Jaggen, you are among the fortunate to have a well. We also have one, apart from our town water. We do have a hand pump to go in it and it’s ready to go with the exception of putting it in the well and securing the base plate. (Pipes ready, pvc glue ready, etc.!) However, we are now considering building what will look like a garden tool shed or something around it prior to putting the pump in, just to disguise it. We also have an extra septic tank, though we are on a tank now. No sewer up this mountain. The extra tank is from a small home that was on the now vacant land that I bought adjoining mine. Does anyone know how to build a water filter from a 5-gallon bucket? A friend gave me instructions, but I have mislaid them. I do remember that it had sand and charcoal, but cannot remember the details. Thanks


Vote -1 Vote +1Jade
June 23, 2012 at 4:03 pm

I bought my current place in 2008 after searching for many months…. It can be difficult to find a survival spot but it is not impossible…
Our place is more than 1000 feet off the county road with only one way IN and one way OUT down a narrow lane through the woods that I can control…. . We have a good flowing Artesian Well and a Septic system. Our pond is well stocked with Blue Gills, the stream that runs through our place has a good gravel bed and a spring spawning run of Trout as well as a fall run of King Salmon. We have good Deer and Turkey hunting off our back deck…. Small game is plentiful …. Wild food foraging is fair… Neighbors have a few hundred head of Cattle… We have a good supply of Firewood for winter heating and year around cooking. We are lacking a good sunny garden plot. I am cutting some trees and may have garden space opened up for next years garden. Good shopping is 15 miles away, convenience store/gas station is 4 miles away…. We try to maintain a good supply of food and ammunition.. We can shoot at our place, however I prefer to keep a low profile and go to the range that is 5 miles away to keep in practice with fire arms.. I have a Precision Air Gun with added silencer for taking small game without drawing attention….. We like our place, however I would like to be further away from the large city.
Due to our age we need to be close to Doctors and Hospitals.


Vote -1 Vote +1Jaggen
June 23, 2012 at 4:53 pm

Childress,, find a way to install a hand crank for your well. I had an old well closed off and reopened it adding the old fashioned crank. Oh, , and I do have a diesel pickup, goats,chickens, garden, fruit trees. On the other hand I have a plan to GOOD to my brothers house, he also has a well and septic, lives on a river and on Wisconsin Which likely would be much safer than staying here in florida. I feel ready to bug in but probably would end up bugging out. I also got my ham radio license and a 2 meter handheld radio.


Vote -1 Vote +1Craig
June 23, 2012 at 5:25 pm

My main concern with roving gangs/looters is molatov cocktails. I have sufficient arms and ammo to stave off advances but if they want you out that’s a great way to do it. Any thoughts?


Vote -1 Vote +1Survival Diva
June 23, 2012 at 7:48 pm

I’ve wished since I bought a cedar sided cabin that it was made of a non-flamable material. I have not found a solution to this. Maybe there’s a builder on the site who has an affordable solution.


Vote -1 Vote +1Caribou
June 24, 2012 at 1:36 am

If you put a rock or brick facia up you will gain fire and ballistic protection. It is not the cheapest but if you can do the labor you can save quite a bit. Cinder block and Hardie Plank would also help on fire resistance. Here again you will probably pay as much for the labor as for the materials. 3M makes a window film that should stop most attempts to throw something through the window.


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Survival Diva
June 24, 2012 at 11:54 am

Thank you for the suggestions. I’d wondered about Hardy Plank. It’s the only material I could probably get my brother, the builder, to install ( : Any of them would work. Fire is another matter to consider. The fire department isn’t likely to be able to help in the midst of a collapse. Those of us in the boonies should be planning to clear undergrowth and making a fire break, just in case. Those that have a metal roof will be ahead of the curve!


Vote -1 Vote +1David
June 24, 2012 at 11:24 pm

Earth bag building allows for using dirt to build and/or reinforce structures. It offers all kinds of advantages and savings versus conventional structure materials. All kinds of info online on the subject and there is no rocket science involved.


Vote -1 Vote +1John Donson
June 26, 2012 at 7:48 pm

You can purchase a misting system and install on your eaves and/or fascia that will put out a good deal of water or hook up a sprinkler system to spray on your house. You can install a controller on them to turn them on or off at will from a distance or from inside the house.


Vote -1 Vote +1pat
June 29, 2012 at 7:33 pm

there are several. over 20 years construction exp. & contractor.


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1steve
July 1, 2012 at 2:40 pm

Fireproof your wood:

1 Fill a bucket with 2 quarts of water.

2 Pour 1/2 cup zinc chloride and 1/4 cup ferric chloride into the water, together with 3 tbsp. each of boric acid and ammonium phosphate. These materials can be found at farm and gardening stores and from chemical supply dealers.

3 Mix the ingredients thoroughly. Paint or spray two to three coats of the mixture onto your wood to protect it from fire.


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1MP
June 23, 2012 at 11:22 pm

While that’s a risk to consider (I’ve done it myself), one thing to think about is the idea that if they believe that your home or shelter is full of supplies, burning you out will negate the whole purpose of the raid, they destroy everything and they’re back to square one. Killing you by burning the place down won’t feed them. Of course that’s where having multiple caches of food and supplies elsewhere would be a good idea. Not to mention on an unorthodox train of thought, you yourself may implement a scorched earth policy if it seemed that you would be overwhelmed by superior numbers. Destroying your own homestead with the knowing that you have a lot more stuff and probably other shelter elsewhere would hopefully drive away any large gang of raiders. It’s about the same as contaminating your food stocks and water supplies pending an imminent take over. I’ve seen youtube videos of preppers who said they would do exactly that, its mostly a mind game being played, hell even the Russians did it prior to the Nazis marching in, starve the wildfire of fuel and it cant advance.


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Survival Diva
June 24, 2012 at 12:06 pm

You have good points here! It would be true that anyone believing a home or cabin has supplies would be unlikely to torch it. Burying caches is always wise. Like David has said, burying food and supplies, even in places that may seem a little “unusual” can make the difference between life and death.

When burying buckets, always line them with heavy, sealed plastic to protect the goods inside.


Vote -1 Vote +1Blue Dog
June 24, 2012 at 3:40 pm

I think if you have heavy plastic fastened to your windows from the inside that will keep molotov cocktails from getting into your house. Or you could nail plywood on your windows from the inside.


Vote -1 Vote +1Mo
June 25, 2012 at 1:47 pm

How far could a person launch a molotov cocktail? Have a cleared area around your home, twice that distance. I would warn anyone off, if they breached my perimeter, and I didn’t know them. (Or want them.) Wish I lived in a brick house, with a metal roof, though!


-1 Vote -1 Vote +1W. Raimer
June 28, 2012 at 12:12 am

Chicken wire or similar wire fabric stapled over your windows would stop solid objects from getting in. Installation can be inside or outside depending on your preference. Inside would be more covert. A roll of wire fabric doesn’t take up much room and add a decent pair of metal shears and a staple gun to the tool box.

Molotov cocktails will be a real problem. A covert remedy (as long as you have a water supply) is to put a heavy misting type of sprinkler system underside of your roof overhang. A simple system would be a pvc pipe drilled with 1/16″ or 1/8 holes in it. Cap one end and put a threaded adapter on the other. Screw in the garden hose when the need arises. PVC pipe, glue and adapters can be purchased at any home store for around $10.

If the water isn’t available the only solution would be to keep it from hitting your house. Picture some sort of net like what they have at the golf driving ranges. Many, many variables with this concept and to keep this post short, I’ll stop with the introduction.


Vote -1 Vote +1SA Boer
June 29, 2012 at 11:41 am

Molotov cocktails won’t be a problem. They require alcohol or gasoline, both will be in very high demand and unlikely to be available.


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Jeff Carroll, "Eltexan"
June 28, 2012 at 4:15 pm

Hey Craig!
I had a friend who survived the Mau Mau tragedy in Africa and he told me that one thing they did was to stretch wire mesh from the eaves of the house at an angle to the base of the wall. That way, anything thrown would be deflected into a trench dug around the base of the wall. He said it worked. As for roofs, I know a fellow who mounted a perforated 3/4″ PVC pipe along his ridge line. All he has to do is turn a valve to flood his roof.


Vote -1 Vote +1pat
June 29, 2012 at 7:31 pm

A full brick wrap, or hardi board, steel or sheetmetal panells added over shingles. i am a contractor, and there are many tricks.


Vote -1 Vote +1Charlie
June 30, 2012 at 7:59 am

Don’t let them get close enough for “Cocktails” to be effective!


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1MHG
June 23, 2012 at 7:04 pm

One likely person was left out int he above list, the young kid who is sent into the neighborhoods to scout for marks. Sending a child to do intial begging is as old as famine, and the coaching adult(s) may not be easily disclosed, but they will be collecting information.


+2 Vote -1 Vote +1mike
June 26, 2012 at 10:14 pm

If a kid comes to the door,tell him to get lost or he’ll be the next item on the menu.


-25 Vote -1 Vote +1barticus
June 23, 2012 at 7:12 pm

Site seems like a lot of fantasy to me…..”toni the prisoner, scorpio” ! Fess up Kurt Russell wrote this didn’t he?


Vote -1 Vote +1David
June 24, 2012 at 11:32 pm

I live five miles as the crow flies from a prison. There are 3200 inmates there. The community that I live in is the closest one to the prison. Can;t say that I fantasize about prisoners but I can spot a fool.


Vote -1 Vote +1Jos Edwards
June 26, 2012 at 10:44 am

The geniuses that run my little county in NW decided to make a business out of detention facilities. There are five or more correctional facilities in this tiny little county. The prisoners will be one part of the problem — the freakin’ guards are a whole nother problem by themselves.


Vote -1 Vote +1Al
June 29, 2012 at 1:01 pm

You remind me of someone,,,, oh yeah, Stan.


Vote -1 Vote +1Great Grey
June 23, 2012 at 9:53 pm

A note for you who have a stream running through your place. Do you have a shelter on the far side from your main house in case the stream becomes uncrossable while on the “wrong side”, and need a place to stay for a few days?


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Mariana
June 24, 2012 at 3:06 am

Two things besides watter and food to concider is higiene and tools. Toghether with the canned food, watter, tents, medicines, blankets, etc, I have stored soap, femmenine higiene products, towellettes, sun block, moskito repellents, toilet paper… and work tools like a hammer, a plier, a cutter, a shovel…
Those who have pets should consider keeping food and watter for them too, and the means to take them with them if they have to flee. Some will just live them, but when you are starving, they can be a sourse of food, even if your hart brakes. I mean, I love my cat as she was my own baby, but if I have to choose between seen my kids starve to death and her life, there is no choise at all.
Besides my cat I have two dogs, one is an old allmost blind puddle, she can’t protect us, but she shourly can make a lot of noise whe a stranger comes by our house. The other one is a mix between a Shar Pey and a Caucassian Shepperd dog, so she is big and scary and has a rather foul temper with strangers.


Vote -1 Vote +1Hipockets
June 24, 2012 at 1:02 pm

I have lots of food and necessities in my house. I also have my camper stocked with everything to survive. If I have to Bug out,it’s ready to go. We also have a large storage of food,and other things stored in a large shop a few miles away. Having 3 options makes me
feel more secure about surviving.


+9 Vote -1 Vote +1Ed Phillips
June 24, 2012 at 4:06 pm

There’s always a non-believer with something stupid to say joining us. Remember his name When it hits the fan. When He knocks on your door, send him to see Kurt Russell .Better to be Prepared and nothing happens, than not prepared and all Hell brakes loose. Well prepared here in S.Calif. Good Luck to all of You. It seems to be closer than a lot of people think. Anyone noticing the loss of our rights slowly dissappearing by Presidential Orders. America is becoming a place where wrong is right and right is wrong. Freedom of speech is being stepped on becauce of Political Correcness. Some cities trying to add Sharia Law to our Court System. How can this happen in America ? They Treat women like dogs ! God Help us and keep us safe. Sorry Folks I get carried away sometimes.


+4 Vote -1 Vote +1JetemiahWeed
June 24, 2012 at 6:37 pm


Good commments. Most vets (active and former) are Oath Keepers. They will not take up arms against civilians. After Katrina, we used water in our 33K gallon pool to bathe and then to flush toilets (septic sy stem). We drove to Memphis, TN (250 miles) to get a generator, but then no gas. All food in fridge and freezers spoiled. No electric and limited water (diesel pumps) for 3 weeks and that was 120 miles north of the Gulf Coast. We rallied and provided all available diesel to run diesel generators (provided by National Guard) on a rotation basis. Things were not good, but it brought out the best and worst in people. A hand pump is part of any windmill. Most have a 500 gallon storage tank for gravity feed wayer pressure. CCI and other brands offer “CB” caps (.22 cal) for use in bolt sction and lever action rifles that are almost silent. I used them in a Marlin lever action to dispatch a number of feral cats in town. Less noise than a pellet gun. Shooting shorts and Longs in a rifle chambered for LR can cause a build up of carbon deposits in the chamber of the rifle. This can cause extraction problems – so keep the chamber clean if shooting shorts and LR rounds. If you have firearms, traning is imperative. You must be competent and mentally prepared to take a human life to protect your life,others, or your property. As a former LE officer and retired military officer, taking a human life is never easy, no matter what the circumstances might be, or how “justified” you are. After its over, you will be second guessing yourself. I once failed to pull the trigger in a life/death situation which affected me the next time I was confronted with a similar situation. They both turned out good for me and the bad guys, but could have been so different for me. The next encounters were not so good for the bad guys. I got to go home, but they haunt me. No matter how right you are, you must learn to live with it. I tell you, if it’s you or them, learn to live with it.


+3 Vote -1 Vote +1DougSter
June 24, 2012 at 6:46 pm

Bad: “Five Types Of Looters You Must Prepare For”

Good: “Five Types of Looters for Which You Must Prepare”

Sorry, I couldn’t resist. 😉


+6 Vote -1 Vote +1Tibirius
June 24, 2012 at 10:33 pm

Bad: “Five Types Of Looters You Must Prepare For”
Good: “Five Types of Looters for Which You Must Prepare”

*Best*: “Five Types of Looters for Whom You Must Prepare”

but it doesn’t matter, since everyone understands anyway, right?


Vote -1 Vote +1diana
June 25, 2012 at 1:08 pm

yes!!! 🙂 thanks for saying so Tibirius!! lol


+2 Vote -1 Vote +1davidmobile
June 26, 2012 at 12:22 pm

Ahhh, yes…the luxuries you have when the title of your articles don’t have to fit in the formatting requirements of email clients and twitter. :).


Vote -1 Vote +1AJ Goin
June 30, 2012 at 12:37 am

Bad: “Five Types Of Looters You Must Prepare For”
Good: “Five Types of Looters for Which You Must Prepare”

*Best*: “Five Types of Looters for Whom You Must Prepare”

Alternative: “Five types of looters and how to prepare them”


Vote -1 Vote +1Charlie
June 30, 2012 at 8:09 am

I like to prepare my looters in a honey dijon glaze, cooked slowly, low heat. Make sure to store plenty of honey and dijon for this purpose


+4 Vote -1 Vote +1Jason W
June 24, 2012 at 8:32 pm

If aplicable, feigning disease could keep some looters away. If aproached by ‘friends’ who want to freeload or by kids who are scouting you out, let them know you and your kids have hepatitis, and that it’s contagous. Maybe even go so far as to make signage like “Caution; contagous!” Mya not stop the assault style looter, but it may turn some other types away.


+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Tibirius
June 24, 2012 at 10:38 pm

The best way to be prepared is to leave the US for a more safe location, if you can. (If you can’t leave the US at least go someplace where people would not want to go, such as the cold North. When there’s no heat many people will go for warmer climates.)

The US is the one place that will be ‘hell on Earth’ when TSHTF

When everyone has guns and are fighting for survival and *most importantly* 98% of the population does not know how to survive that’s a recipe for trouble.

Go someplace where most people have the knowledge and skills to survive without modern conveniences and cash, gun ownership is low (not saying you shouldn’t have one, but do you want everyone ELSE to have one?), and people don’t go batshit insane at the first sign of trouble.


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1David
June 24, 2012 at 11:38 pm

Just please take a few people with you when you go. If you would. Thanks.


+5 Vote -1 Vote +1GrandDaddy
June 24, 2012 at 11:55 pm

Share what you’ve got til it’s gone, then think in terms of loaves and fishes.


-6 Vote -1 Vote +1Not Sure
June 25, 2012 at 12:33 pm

You folks are just plain idiotic. Do you not realize that you are outnumbered? Hopelessly out numbered, as a matter of fact. Forget the prepping, maybe just a few days for a minor emergency but if the SHTF as you are suggesting, you have NO HOPE. You are one or maybe two or even possibly a few dozen. The rest of the world is 6+ billion! You cannot survive on “prepping”. You can’t store enough food, fuel, ammunition, or water. You cannot hide in this world anymore. There are people everywhere and they WILL find you and your provisions. It’s just a matter of time which, as a prepper, you will have little of…… while everyone else, collectively, will have plenty of.

People who survived in the past disasters (black plague, WWII, genocides of all kinds) survived not by storing up anything. They survived by being able to work with others when they find those of similar circumstances/conditions AND, most importantly, by having a keen “situational awareness”. They were good at reading surroundings and people. You “preppers” look at everyone as a potential threat. Guess what, by you’re posture, you will MAKE everyone a threat by alienating even those that may be an ally. You’re doing that now by making the unspoken statement, “I’m preparing to hold my own, and other’s be damned.”

Preppers have a “normalcy bias”-bred insanity that only comes from people that have had it too easy for too many generations. Those who will survive are not going to be the one’s that store up the most shit but those who are the best at societal adaptation. It would probably be better you have nothing when the SHTF because you will have a humble view of your situation and that leads to a more flexible approach when dealing with people who are also in a bad situation. The prepper “holier than thou” attitude would just end up pissing people off. And in a society where law and order would be conspicuously vacant, that’s not really a good thing to do.


+4 Vote -1 Vote +1WA State
June 25, 2012 at 2:38 pm

Not Sure,
I understand your points. I think that prepping is important, however, because it buys you time to think out your reaction to a crisis situation. It also makes a person better equipped psychologically to deal with an emergency or SHTF scenario because he/she has thought about it in advance, and he/she doesn’t have to immediately worry about basic needs like food and water.


+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Survival Diva
June 25, 2012 at 3:09 pm

Not Sure,
Most preppers I know are as broke as the rest of the country. The difference between them and a non-prepper many times boils down to common sense. Most must forgo all luxury like going to the movies or dinning out just to get prepped to protect their loved ones. Believe it or not, many have set aside food to give out to those in need.

Get your head out of the sand, please. If changing your life by thinking ahead is threatening to you, get over it. Sock something away for a rainy day and if nothing happens, then you’ve just inflation-proofed your grocery budget, because it a sure bet foods will continue to skyrocket out of control.

I’ve learned that when people object, there’s still hope–otherwise they wouldn’t even bother to complain. If this is you, wake up, get ready, and while you’re at it, set aside canned goods to help others.


+3 Vote -1 Vote +1davidmobile
June 26, 2012 at 12:16 pm

Keep in mind that resiliency and stable micro environments are built on a foundation of stable and prepared individuals.


Vote -1 Vote +1Photina
June 25, 2012 at 5:32 pm

I tried to warn my neighbors and was repaid by one loudly telling another that I had lots of food. Actually, I am low-income and have only managed to save a little bit. I won’t help that individual any more because I consider it a risk to my life. I just tell him I am low on food, which is true enough.

But if TSHTF for real, I do have a plan. I am one who remains calm, rational and practical in terrifying situations. I have studied this stuff for ages, and I have a few days’ worth. I am a natural leader. In SHTF time, I will GIVE nothing, but find a way that people can WORK for their own survival, such as surveying neighbors for useful items and skills. Go water my garden for me. Whatever.

I can and will organize all my neighbors into a survival unit. Collectively, we should have lots of guns for our own police force, and plenty of labor, and…?

Others from farther away will be instructed to find the wisest calmest leaders to create civilization in their own areas.


+2 Vote -1 Vote +1TOM
June 25, 2012 at 7:02 pm

NOT SURE, Do you have house, car, even life insurance ? You are making a bet with the insurance company that something will happen to your house, your car or you will die and the insurance company is betting that nothing at all will happen but your money will turn into their money. The people you are calling stupid here are not doing anything you are not already doing. The difference is they are not gambling, they are using knowledge as you should also try to apply. Remember WALL MART MIGHT NOT ALWAYS BE OPEN. So open your eyes my friend and prepare for what is coming.


Vote -1 Vote +1Realist
June 25, 2012 at 9:02 pm

We live in a good area of Northern California that is not heavily populated. Yes I know that there is a large segment that would argue that there is no good in California. Our area is rural and is made up of large dairy farm, vineyards and cattle ranches. We do have larger cities to our east and south that have everything that we need. However these same cities have undesirables that populate some of the neighborhoods which I am sure will take advantage of any situation they can. Every single one of your looter examples I am sure reside in these cities. My plan is to stay put as long as reasonably possibly, then plan B is to bug out to our ranch up north. The ranch is very secluded about a mile from the main road. It has all the things that we would need in a prolonged situation, water, fuel and the potential for lots of food. We are building a small cabin this summer that will suit our needs for the next couple of years.

I agree that most people would like to be able to help others if possible. However where do you draw the line and who do you help. Part of the problem that I see is that if you help people you have to interact with them up close. This can lead to them taking advantage of the situation. So a good rule is to keep people at a distance, as far as possible. Or better yet if you can keep them away completely that is best. Ideally you will need to have a lookout to see for a distance so that it will allow you time to react. Do not let them get close so they could see what you have or to take advantage of you.


+3 Vote -1 Vote +1chazmo
June 26, 2012 at 1:41 am

I was criitized for my Y2K prepping, only to having not to buy a roll of toilet paper, canned foods or bottled water for the last 10 years.So what if it didn’t happen we were well prepared if it had and better prepared if it didn’t. carry on, a well stocked home is a great place to live and remember “Happiness is a Warm Gun”!


-9 Vote -1 Vote +1court
June 26, 2012 at 3:51 am

why the hell do you people want to survive? even if you make it a year or two youre just going to survive to die from the disease’s that will be ravishing who ever is left. No sanitation and corpses rotting everywhere. Are you going to survive and procreate just because you have some stinking supplies? Go hide in your paranoidal holes and survive, survive, survive. You prepared unlike the rest of us idiots and your prepared to defend whats yours. wow, look at you. scratching out another day so you can what? play a harmonica very quitely for a half minute? What tremendous joy that will bring your children before its back to the bunkers and another bowl of rice.Survival, but only when the coast is clear? quiet generators so only you have a frickin light bulb? a light bulb that jeopardizes you and your families very life? What do you want to see? your me,me,me ass in the mirror? your family slowly die? A meal that could cost all of your lives? What you preppers assume is that survival will be the name of the game. Of course it will be, right? Thats how Mankind is here today. Preparation and survival. Well, that will be the case…. a hundred years AFTER tshtf. You are prepared, alright. You are only preparing to suffer a little longer than most. If you think that the masses will be on our own, fending for ourselves. fending for our survival, your sadly mistaken. Oh.. maybe for a month or two it might be like that. The “powers” will let us take each other out for a little while, the more we kill each other the better, but they will not allow time for any masses of people, military or civilian, to organize or “gang” up or even just survive. They will have to hit the big “reset” button. It is the only way Mankind will survive. Its the only way THEY will survive.The select few, that have already been selected and already know who they are, will start over. Because when the shtf, its a great equalizer. The rich, the poor, the PREPARED, the unprepared, the good, the bad, all of that goes right out the window. If it makes you feel better, or in control or empowered than have at it. But you might not be as prepared as you think you are. just saying


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1davidmobile
June 26, 2012 at 8:27 am

Sometimes, I even approve comments like this one…it’s a prime example of another of the many personalities out there.

You may have people you care for like this who don’t value their own lives or love anyone else enough to prepare.

You may also have people in your life who are such premadonas (sp?) that they can’t imagine spending any time living with the inconveniences that most people in the world have lived with throughout most of history.


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Jos Edwards
June 26, 2012 at 10:49 am

I predict you and yours will be one of the first waves to pass. Thankfully.


Vote -1 Vote +1sunshinesunflower
June 26, 2012 at 2:16 pm

I might not wish to survive, but at least I might have a choice longer than most.


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Phil Stajcar
June 26, 2012 at 3:53 am

Bonnie: You are describing a biosand filter. Several good websites out there on constructing them cheaply, including a small one from a two-liter bottle.


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1DontBeAfraid
June 26, 2012 at 5:53 am

Seems to me that death is a much better alternative. The “other-side” offers much more peace, love and happiness than living in the world you’ve described.
Stop fearing death, never stop loving and enjoy the time you have on this beautiful planet.
With these three components, you are sure to live a very rewarding life no matter how long it may be.


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1country boy
June 26, 2012 at 6:15 am

for someone already in the country, stan and brenda will probably not go far out of town because they dont have the resources to get far from town on foot or by bycicle. tony and scorpion wil most likely stay near population. most likely they are in prison because of gang activities and will want to hook up with their buddies in a more urban setting they feel more confortable with. as for john the noise of powered equpment cuts both ways. in the country you could hear them coming with any kind of motorized vehicle. when john shows up to a staged campground with a generator running as bait, the whole group could be sniped at a distance for their equipment and supplies. and in the country there are a lot of food sources running around on 4 legs.
i will guess that being stealthy and mobile, and avoiding others would be the best bets in a world where everyone is killing for food etc.


Vote -1 Vote +1mike
June 26, 2012 at 10:00 pm

I like how you think


+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Montego Man
June 26, 2012 at 6:16 am

This has been one of the most responsive prone articles thus far. Thanks to David and staff for adding Diva’s insights.
There are a lot of naysayers out there. Many of these people do not want to look reality in the face and refuse to recognize what is going on in this country and around the world – politically, financially, and spiritually. They mistakenly believe that we will be unaffected by what is taking place now, but they are dead wrong and truly misguided, often by their bias and guile, as evident by some of the above responses.
I’ll fall back on the old cliché that I keep referring to, the Boy Scout Motto – “BE PREPAED”. Remember that we earned Merit badges in these efforts to learn how to survive in the wilderness, and we were tested on these abilities in order to obtain tank and merit. Many people have carried this over into adulthood. That is what the Scouting program is all about! To prepare boys to be men! Take a survey of your friends and see how many of them were scouts. You find several in federal law enforcement, the military, especially WWII, Korea, Nam, and Desert Strom. The merits of scouting helped them to be men and to develop leadership and survival skills. It also taught them to help others in distress and danger. The one respondent was spot on correct when he mentioned the need for insurance and betting that you won’t need it, but that’s why it is called insurance.
As for Preppers – many of these people are outdoorsmen and women. They enjoy camping, hunting and such. They have already supplied themselves with a lot of what they need to live in the wilderness. You want some modern conveniences like electricity (for heat, cooking, acquiring info/intel via radio, general survival needs), purchase a small solar array. A tent at REI will cost you more than a 60 watt or 72 watt system. Actually, it’ll cost you less than taking your friends out for a night on the town. As for weapons, there are millions within this country In the hands of private citizens who exercise their Second Amendment rights. It’s only prudent that you keep ammo on hand since the cost keeps escalating like everything else. Besides, it only takes an Executive Order by Potus to stop the “distribution” of such an item once it has been declared as contraband.
Besides, who can pass up a sale? You need certain products for daily use. There is no harm and little additional expense to purchasing a few more items and putting them away for now. You never know when another Katrina or other disaster will hit and the local stores will be closed due to no electric and no supplies by trucks due to lack of distribution and fuel. I know many responders who went to the Gulf Coast after Katrina. They had to bring everything with them, including their own food and water! Only the National Guard and military had the logistics to handle incoming freight/supplies and their distribution. They were prepared like good Boy Scouts. Therefore, the only major distinction between Preppers and others is the accumulation and storage of food and water – basics of life.
Therefore, don’t kick people around when they are doing nothing more than providing security for their families. They do it for the same reason we all buy life insurance, to care for our loved ones. So call it a bunch of Boy Scouts if you will. We still wear that title with honor and distinction. If you served in the Marines, you know that once a Marine, always a Marine. The same is true of Scouting – Once a Scout, always a Scout. We have a whole lot of good Scouts here, and I’m sure they are just as proud as any to practice what they have learned and preach it to other.


Vote -1 Vote +1Op Sec
June 26, 2012 at 9:25 am

You left of one of the largest potential looters:

GOVT and their JBT’s.

What ya gonna do when the cops come and order you to turn over everything you have for the:


don’t wanna answer that, then ba ba ba little sheep


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1M3RC
June 26, 2012 at 11:36 pm

Yup, damm right. More than likely the provisions they would take, would more than likely just feed their immediate selves & interests. My advice, would be to be mobile. plan to have an immediate, high mileage, straight run away from any built up areas, or population centres. Then dump it, disable it, remove the fuel from it, hide the fuel nearby (preferably diesel as it will store longer and easier) and then walk. Learn to walk long distances now; especially on an empty stomach. And learn to walk of a night. Its easier to detect others around you, as well as roving gangs and such. Being able to sprint away at first when TSFTF, will help you avoid the initial chaos that will ensure. And always, always be positive. When confronted with another group, look at their eyes. The eyes will tell you everything about them, especially how they intend to respond. And avoid using lights when travelling……. peace all


+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Chicky
June 26, 2012 at 12:09 pm

Hi all, I am glad to know there are people such as all of you that are in the same mind set as myself. There is a self sustaining home book series that may be useful to alot of you who want to be able to be off the grid and be able to make your own black, gray water disposal system as well as alot fo rain catchment ideas. It’s an Earthship and the concept is from Micheal Reynolds, and he builds homes and from recycled materials. Its worth looking into and getting a few of his books to be able to build these systems if you have the means.
P.s for all you preppers, go to costco or yourr local store and buy some Quinoa, it’s an amazing grain that contains all the esential amino acids in one serving. Amazing survival food!


+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Caribou
June 26, 2012 at 1:59 pm

Over the years I have run into several opinions on prepping.
The proponents – These people are currently prepping or are in a financial crisis and wish they had.
The interested – These people seem to accept prepping as a valid option but really do not see a need.
The denier – Like the person who won’t make out a will because they might die if they did, these people don’t want to consider the possibility of anything disturbing their life. These people will make remarks like “that kind of life wouldn’t be worth living anyway” or “I’ve got a gun I’ll just come to your house and take what I need”. The latter is meant as a joke and they don’t understand why you don’t find it funny. They will both show up at your door expecting you to share your supplies. When turned away I expect pleading quickly followed by violence.
The obtuse – These people don’t know what you are talking about and don’t care.

The last two groups are a total waste of time, I won’t waste my breath, because they will not listen. Unfortunately they represent a majority of the populace. The people who have accepted the need to prepare will do so depending on their ability and perceived need. These people are fun to share ideas with.

Those individuals who show interest can sometimes be lead in the right direction. They will need to hear the same message over and over but if they seem interested you are probably not the first to mention this. I don’t harp on this and once from me is all they get unless they bring up the subject again. I get understanding nods when I mention how I get a better return off my food storage than my savings account. They seem to agree when I point out how I can save when buying in bulk or purchasing large amounts during a sale. I get a good reception when I talk about getting sick, being unable to work, and living off my stores. I live in a remote location so I discuss how the planes could not fly after 9/11 or during the occasional volcanic eruptions. Our community relies on air service for most of our food and other supplies. I have seen our supply chain cease for extended periods on multiple occasions.

I don’t usually mention TEOTWAWKI because that turns many people off. This is so far outside their experience as to be a weirdo fringe concept. If the discussion comes around to TEOTWAWKI I explain that I prepare for it because if I am prepared for a worse case scenario I am prepared for all lesser situations. If they have not experienced the lesser situations they know someone who has. I prefer the soft sell because most do not respond well to a hard sell. Each person I can help prepare is one less that I have to worry about if the fan turns brown, and potentially an ally.


+2 Vote -1 Vote +1mike
June 26, 2012 at 9:58 pm

Scorpion shows up at my house,he’ll be hanging on the front gate by morning.With a sign saying “Looters beware!Don’t let this happen to you!”If you hang two or three of them there,I believe the rest will take notice.If you think I’m cold,that’s your opinion.But you have to admire my confidence.I’ll still be here when the dust settles. Good Luck!


+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Jonathan Houg
June 27, 2012 at 10:24 am

I wanted to post of some experiences I have had, I will not go into great detail but rather will say what worked and what didn’t work. First, don’t waste your money on the much advertised cart that has a solar panel and one battery. This will only be good for a light or two and the battery will go quickly if a real load is place on it such as a laptop, tv, or other appliance. Otherwise, it works for it’s purpose, but not it’s implied advertising. Second, it is important to have a lot of canned goods or Wise, Mountain House style food and a good water supply and some MRE’s (MRE’s tend to re-arrange your digestive track and may be an issue for some). A small camp stove which operates off of propane and have either the large tanks or small ones to hook up to it, this will boil water very quickly and you will have a small portable way to cook. single or double burner. Third; bottled water, either the 12, 16, 0r 20 oz bottles, and gallons. A cistern is also helpful and of course a well. Filtration is also a necessity. Along these lines water for hygiene. If you do not have water for hygiene, your personal hygiene will deteriorate quickly especially in hot weather. Fourth; if you can’t spare water for flushing toilets if you have decided to hunker down and stay in place, plastic grocery bags or the small boxed type garbage bag will fit good onto the seat of a commode so that you can relieve yourself, because you will have to do so. Maybe not as often during a SHTF scenario but it will take place. Have a place for disposal as well. For gas, if you have the money, purchase as much as possible, store in a secure location and use PRI-G fuel enhancer for gas, PRI-D fir diesel. Stay low, live grey. For protection, well you can make the best choice for that but a handgun, shotgun, rifle should be part of the program. If you have a 4 wheel drive vehicle enhance that vehicle as much as possible and keep it maintained, it could be your only way of escape if that became necessary. Fuel of course would be the issue there. I am posting this because I have had the opportunity to have to utilize all of these items and made some harsh discoveries that a lot of items sold for the above purposes don’t really work well in a real life situation. If you can put cash back do so, it is difficult and most of the time impossible and in the end could become worthless so have items for barter and trade like deorderant, shaving cream, razors, soap, candy, tobacco products whether you use those products or not. i would recommend against alcohol simply because if you trade this for something that person could return drunk and emboldened to take whatever else you have and you might not want to have to take this person down. At any rate, a good way to make power if you can afford is to purchase at least 6 240 watt plus solar panels ( I recommend Schott because these are USA made and you will reap the benefit at tax time because of the recovery act and IRS rules as well as your particular state rules offering a cash savings), use three, keep three put away in case of a CME event so you will have three for backup. Purchase as many batteries as you can afford, do it now and a decent inverter or two or three, this will make life so much more bearable. Become as creative as possible because I am telling you, if you have not experienced your own personal SHTF scenario it will be an eye opening experience. I hope this post jogs your minds and makes you think. Anyone wishing to collaborate, I have added my email address as well as my website.. Good luck and godspeed on your preparations.


Vote -1 Vote +1Homestead Gal Anita
June 29, 2012 at 7:54 am

Stashing food in plain site just involves a little creative thinking. Things just have to “look” normal in their usual places. Most looters won’t look for food in boxes for scouring pad, cleaners or personal products. The bottoms of these boxes can be cut open, the contents removed, and you simply put your stash items in a heavy ziplock bag into the bottom of the box. Put a small piece of tape on the bottom and the box will look unopened as well as have a normal weight.

A sofa bed is a great place to store a lot of food! Remove the mattress and build a light weight frame with a lid within the original mattress storage area. This give you PLENTY of area to store MRE’s, portioned dry goods, or any other gotta have items.

You can also do single serving bags of beans/rice and line them up flat between the bottom of the sofa cushions and the cushion cover.

If you get ambushed in your home. Set on the sofa and stay quiet.

Store food in the dishwasher. When the grid is down you won’t be using it anyway.

If you have a lot of books and deep shelving, you can do a false back to your existing book shelves.

Store food in a dog house that has fabric or a flap over the door. Igloo type houses work great. Try to keep the dog house close to your home but not in plain view of neighbors. Make it look like you really have a dog. If you already have an outside dog. Get a second dog house! A BIG ONE!


Vote -1 Vote +1Bob Anderson
July 1, 2012 at 11:09 pm

As always, virtually none of this applies to a townhouse dweller 25 miles from DC, with ZERO money for any “prepping”. First, lack of funds, secondly, lack of a place to put anything substantial if one obtained it. By sheer dumb luck, I am a veteran and 62 year old hunter, so I have SOME firearms and ammo; but, realistically, a townhome is essentially indefensible. ( We have deer and other game in the wooded local copses of trees, but that’s a limited food source). The key here seems to be “If your wealthy enough, you can survive; if not, you’re SOL Advice for those with limited ability to do much of anything to prepare would be nice. (Also, spouse and daughter not “into” it, which complicates matters immensely. Bob


Vote -1 Vote +1Survival Diva
July 2, 2012 at 1:30 pm

You’ll find money-saving tips at the following post: In The Trenches: Combat Food Storage Tips From A Pro. The post date is June 7. Most of the country is struggling. It’s just not reported on as much as it should be in the mainstream media. There ARE ways to prepare, so don’t give up! For some, it may boil down to what you are willing to give up to get prepared. Anything collecting dust that isn’t survival related comes to mind…


Vote -1 Vote +1Ken
July 2, 2012 at 9:21 pm

A crossbow or compound bow is nearly silent and I believe a perfect sutvival tool both for defence and hunting. it should be a part of any survivalists arsenal but not a replacement for firearms. just sayin if you stick scorpion, his homies may not realize it at first giving you an advantage. if you take a deer anyone scouting and casing the area wouldnt hear the crack of a rifle going off. a blow gun is very effective on small game. if you plan on heating with wood, keep in mind the smell of a campfire carries a long way. as does diesel exhaust.


Vote -1 Vote +1John Panagos
July 4, 2012 at 9:26 am

I agree, my inlaws are either thinking nothing will happen or they can can come to my place and I ‘ll have everything they need or want, not going to happen. Being out of work and no longer collecting unempyment we have very little extra for our own needs. As far as others in my area only one has some MRE, s for mim and his wife, age of MRE’s unknown. They fiqure on hunting to survive along with hundreds or thousand of others with the same thoughts. It will probabley sound like a war zone. With the limited resources my wife complains about me buying the items we need but when she sees the disasters on the news she relents and works with me to budget our purchases. Plan for thwe worse and hope for the best and be as prepared as possible. John


Vote -1 Vote +1Wild Bill
July 5, 2012 at 2:15 pm


For the most part, the only difference between them all is their motivation. Most will try to take by force, some by playing on your feelings.

My biggest worry about looters is running into someone like me (John the tactically trained), but desperate and utterly without scruples. Hunger is a great motivator. I heard someone say once that: “We are only 9 meals away from total anarchy”. The nicest people in the world will, and have, become monsters when desperate. Think New Orleans about 4 days after Katrina.

The “strong man against the world” way of thinking is prevalent here…. it comes part and parcel with the Rugged Individualist mindset, and I’m no exception. I have to catch myself at it and force myself to change my thinking… I am going to HAVE to rely on my neighbors, and hopefully they will come to rely on me. One neighbor has hundreds of head of beef cattle and heavy earthmoving equipment we can use to good effect- at least as long as the fuel holds out. Another has access to fresh milk and hunting lands, which we do not (he keeps milkers). Ourselves, we raise Cotswold sheep for both food and wool, which will come in handy. Also fish, frogs, turtles, etc, in our pond. One other neighbor has saddlebred horses, which we do not.

If it all goes to hell, hopefully we can use the heavy earthmoving equipment to cut the sole road in and out of here, effectively isolating ourselves from vehicle traffic. Individual looters might be able to make it through the gauntlet of woods, thickets, barbed wire and armed locals defending their own digs and make it this far, but without vehicles to cart away loot they won’t get much. That is, if they survive the enounter with us…

One thing that is our saving grace: all of us living on this road have access to fresh water, grid up or grid down. The road dead ends at a river about a mile from us, which is chock full of fish, etc. It might not look pretty, but it’s water and it’s a largely unlimited, untainted supply.

There are others around us who I will both envy and feel pity for: the Amish and Mennonites are largely self sufficient on their own without access to the grid. But, they are pacifists… easy pickings for anyone with the wrong mindset and evil in their heart. Lambs to the slaughter…

I don’t know if us “English” can protect them when the time comes…. one family I know, they keep honeybees. We buy honey from them and also wax (I make old-fashioned beeswax candles the old ways- by either dipping or using a tin mold. I have about a half dozen shoeboxes full of candles stored for use and trade and I plan on making more), but they live about 5 miles from us. They’re good people, but I am afraid we would get there too late if we heard there was trouble…


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